If there is no type of people that he doesn’t love, then he must love everyone, for in order to single a person out and say “I don’t love that person” you must have a criteria for not loving them, i.e. hidden from us. Ok, I have my Bible and I am ready to go. And He is a just and righteous God in all that He does. Jesus died on the cross for everyone. cheers. . I dont think God is controlling everything actively in everyone’s life. That would take away free will!! 4:3-4 teaches that the gospel is veiled to those who are perishing. because the Lord had judged it to be expedient; why he so judged is And if I may use one more long quote (though I would hope you would make time to read through the entire article): Biblically, the difference between these two conceptions of how God in love relates to fallen human beings may be pinpointed thus. The future is not — not exhaustively. Because they seem possible to me. Jesus presents a more scientific view of the sun and rain, even if he still uses poetic hyberole, and in doing this he has sanctified our progression to a more scientific view of the same. He certainly does permit lots of things. Is God in control? God does not control us. Biblical Christianity has taken a very different view, teaching that God, not fate or free will, is the primary cause of what is and what happens. Was Jesus Only Mentioned in the New Testament. No, he predicted (just as we predict) based on known information. Receive new posts by email. Before God created life, He had sole authority, control and responsibility. etc, read the Bible folks not some fairy tale about Dummy the Playdough. sin, or holy obedience/action. If we are walking in fellowship with Him, then nothing can touch us unless it is allowed by God for our good. Adam and Eve made a decision….not sure God would bring justice on something He permitted in the first place??? 22:1-10) as picturing the whole truth about the love of God in the gospel. no one understands; I speak from experience. It rains — water collects in rivers and ponds — it evaporates because of the heat of the sun — it condenses in the atmosphere — it rains again. Jesus died for the whole entire world (John 3:16) and God wants all people to be saved (2 Peter 3:9). Like God’s sovereignty, the responsibility of man includes the details of life. God may withold the rain from the wicked nation according to the author of Kings or Chronicles — but to Jesus he sends his rain on the just and the unjust. That means your divorce, your affair, your lapse of judgment, your squandered opportunities, your failed business venture, your bankruptcy, your poor choices—these do not loosen God’s … Of co Lastly, God’s permission for Satan or man to act is nevertheless part of God’s ultimate design and final control. Timothy J. Keller | Jan 7, 2007 Share. It makes no sense for a judge to tell a person that their fine/penalty has been paid, but they must pay it again. Here is the best closing statement I have ever heard on God’s sovereignty in salvation. Sproul, Does God Control Everything? “Unconditional Election” is taught throughout the Bible. 14 What shall we say then? Apparently He “micromanages” everything, including the death of sparrows (Matt 10:29), the outcome of casting of lots (Prov. By no means! God does not choose to send people to hell. John 8:34 teaches that we are slaves to sin. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. they must be a member of a type that you don’t love. Title: Does God Control Everything? Long ago I did it; from ancient times I planned it. So, each person is not righteous, does not understand, does not seek God, does not do good, and is considered morally worthless; and, whatever does not proceed from faith is sin. God is also omniscient. And yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from your Father” (Matthew 10:29). No, if that is the case, then Jesus did not PAY our debt on the cross — the cross merely was an appeal by Jesus to the Father to forgive the debt (it was NOT payment). I am not arguing for Greg Boyd’s views as a whole. And again, thank you for the cordial discussion! What is the relationship between God’s sovereignty and our free will? From the unified, transcendental perspective, God is everything and controls everything. no one does good, For God will bring every act to judgment, everything which is hidden, whether it is good or evil” (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14). I think this verses alone show that we are unwilling and incapable in and of ourselves to seek after God, necessitating a move by God towards us to free us from ourselves, allowing us to then turn to Him. If you believe that God is not sovereign in everything, even over the human will, then you definitely must read it. In Matthew 18, he speaks of it being “FRANKLY FORGIVEN” — that is, being dismissed without being paid. To guide, to lead, to comfort, to correct, to intercede, and to guide. no, this is not true. Our lives are in His hand. Others reason, “If God has control over everything that happens — is he not a cosmic puppeteer pulling our strings when he wants us to dance?” This is not the way the Bible describes God. The doctrine of sovereignty is that God is in control of everything. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.” So this salvation by grace through faith isn’t something that we conjure ourselves. A decision indeed is a powerful thing. 15 For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion,[b] but on God, who has mercy. 2 Peter was written to Christians, and so to say that God is waiting for all people in the world to come to repentence, he would be waiting a really long time to send his Son again. God sets the circumstances of our lives and so influences things that our choices are made in accordance with his plans. the chief of his creatures [Adam] to be! 21:1). Since God is in ‘control’ over everything…then I guess He wouldn’t mind me stepping out and killing someone tomorrow. I would also like to say that many replies given to the non-calvinist over God’s control vs controlling nature bring up tons of false dichotomies. Change ), You are commenting using your Google account. 1:11- “[God] brings about everything according to the perfect counsel of His will.” or say to him, “What have you done? We were all actively rebelling against God and dead in our sins. CONCLUSION: God choose unconditionally in eternity past those He would bring to faith and save. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. “, but whether Scripture actually teaches if God controls everything or not. ‘the alternatives are discouraging’ yes, lets all belive in something cos otherwise we’ll just ‘despair’. “The issue is not whether anyone thinks Calvinists have perverted the word sovereign or not” — yes it is. 9:11-24, Eph. So the basic difference between the two positions is not, as is sometimes thought, that Arminianism follows Scripture while Calvinism follows logic, nor that Arminianism knows the love of God while Calvinism knows only his power, nor that Arminianism affirms a connection between believing and obeying as a means and eternal life as an end which Calvinism denies, nor that Arminianism discerns a bona fide “free offer” of Christ in the gospel which Calvinism does not discern, nor that Arminianism acknowledges human responsibility before God and requires holy endeavor in the Christian life while Calvinism does not. 1:11; Rom.8:29-30; 1Thess.1:4; 2Thess 2:13-14; 2Tim. “He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. And so we don’t continue to clutter this blog with our back and forth, I created a discussion page on my own blog for this purpose: http://thebereanway.wordpress.com/calvinism-discussion/, “I have come to feel it is not truth, but I only want to talk about these things because I DO want the truth.”. No one would have chosen God, had He not first Chosen us. I want to offer this explanation, as i think it is said much better than I could say it myself. The issue is not whether anyone thinks Calvinists have perverted the word sovereign or not, but whether Scripture actually teaches if God controls everything or not. And that Election doctrine is awful!!! I know that not all people get saved, but God wants all people to be saved. He is not the author of sin, but only allows sin to occur for His ultimate purposes. And if you cannot sin in heaven (because you are free from sin, hence truly free) does that mean God is limiting you and not being loving to you? The Psalmist declared that, “the Lord does whatever pleases him, in the heavens and on the earth, in the seas and in their depths” (Psalms 135:6). http://bloodtippedears.blogspot.com/2008/05/james-white-who-controls-salvation-man.html, Josh, you said: “If Jesus died for everyone, no one would go to hell.”. this just reinforces the view that christianity is a crutch for people who cant deal with the harsh reality that life can suck sometimes. Concerning our salvation, Paul went on the most wonderful tangent in Eph. Praise be to our Sovereign King! Take care. “… I am God, and there is no one like me, declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things which have not been done. I thank God He said He will never leave me nor forsake me! but I am also in control in that i could stop the bus, roll the bus, blow it up, hit a jump, get gas, kick everyone off, welcome someone on, etc. says that God directly incited David to take the census, which occurred through the avenue of Satan’s tempting). If one truly wants the truth he will eventually have to put his emotions in the back seat and allow the scriptures to speak for themselves. Further, we know that there is a water cycle. Jas….finally someone on this blog has said something that makes since and not a bunch of blah blah blah. This seems pretty obvious, the problem is that there are plenty of people out there who will argue that it is always done. Its been designed in an exceedingly straightforward way which is only soon after i finished reading this ebook by which actually altered me, change the way i think. That is, he was not PUNISHED for your sins — he was SACRIFICED for your sins. So I leave you with this…. “It seems to me that even the fact that God merely knows what will happen makes God the deciding factor in the person’s salvation anyways.”. Pick a God who is in control and Almighty! and the good of His beloved, Isaiah 40:15, 17, 18, 25, 26 But people then assume that since He is that powerful, then He would control everything. “all men”, You are confusing two aspects of God’s will. In this booklet, Dr. R.C. At the other end is the idea that, while God is sovereign over all things, He chooses to stand back and let the universe run on its own. God has “libertarian free will.” Sin did not remove our free will. In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. condemnation? Most people today believe that we live in a closed, mechanistic universe, that is, a universe that functions from day to day according to certain physical forces and causes. He sure has a way with words! Those people God did not choose, He simply past over, leaving them in their sin and rebellion towards Him. Merciful with His elect… and who can blame them? And Calvin himself said, “By predestination we mean the eternal decree of God, by which He determined with Himself whatever He wished to happen with regard to every man.” (and this was not meant as simply referring to salvation itself), The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary Abstract Principles also contain the historic teaching of Calvin: “God from eternity, decrees or permits all things that come to pass, and perpetually upholds, directs and governs all creatures and all events; yet so as not in any wise to be the author or approver of sin nor to destroy the free will and responsibility of intelligent creatures.”, Belgic Confession article 13: “We believe that this good God, after he created all things, did not abandon them to chance or fortune but leads and governs them according to his holy will, in such a way that nothing happens in this world without his orderly arrangement. As Christians, we need to be reminded that everything that happens to us in our life is allowed by God. It’s about love. 1:9-10) Just to name a few. Just with the wicked… aha, you deserve hell ( Log Out /  Indeed, God is so confident in his sovereignty that he does not need to micromanage everything. On this view, when you have compared God’s relation to fallen men with that of a dignitary who invites all needy folk around to come and enjoy his bounty, you have said it all. The author is refuting a different author than Greg Boyd, but the ideas presented are the same: (See John 8:47; 18:37.). We are created in the image and likeness of God. Great post! The apostle wrote, “… God has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires” (Romans 9:18). Describing the God we encounter in the Bible, one has written, “God does whatever he chooses to do, whenever he chooses to do it, wherever he chooses, involving whomsoever he wishes to involve.”. http://www.reformedliterature.com/packer-arminianisms.php. I denied the doctrine of election. As if God did not establish the condition in which he wills God is in control. That is, the Sovereign frankly forgave a servant a huge debt, but the servant instead of forgiving his fellow servants went and choked them saying ‘pay me now’ and this made the Sovereign mad, so he unforgave the man and put him in debtor’s prison! For example, God caused David to take a census (which God had previously forbidden), and then punished him for the sin. It is a free gift to us that we have the opportunity to get to heaven, reciceved when we acept Him into our hearts as the Lord our Savior. 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